I am a Cesar fan and have a question regarding dogs at “play”. My first obvious thought is that, if your dogs have energy to play, they’ve not had enough exercise…right? In any event, what types of play do you allow in your pack?
I have a very playful two-year-old, high-energy Doberman named Klohee. She gets along well with other dogs: play bows, lays down to bait them to play, etc., but is quite obnoxious at times about playing, i.e. does not know when to stop. Even after her exercise, she always has enough energy to play with other dogs. Listed below are some of my observations of her play. Can you tell me which behaviors should be allowed and to what extent I should “break it up” as her pack leader? How can I tell if the play is reciprocal or if she’s just being pushy?
Observations:
Play bows
Lays down to reassure that she means no harm
She loves to run and play chase with other dogs (Her favorite thing)
Occasionally barks if they don’t bite the bait to play (Is she demanding?)
Bites on the back of neck (Intensity varies on other dog)
Nips at legs
Plays the bite-each-other’s mouth game?
Licks other dogs face
She gives the other dogs her toys/chewies sometimes (A bribe perhaps?)
Thanks in advance! I could really use your advice on this one. I know the basics on dog body language but am not sure about the whole play thing. It looks like they both enjoy it, but, to the human eye, they play kind of rough!
Bryan Bone
Dear Bryan,
The following are my reactions to your observations of Klohee, who sounds like a very playful Doberman indeed!
Play bows. - That’s great!
Lies down to reassure she means no harm. - Perfect!
Run, chase, play with other dogs. - That’s what dogs do!
Barks if they don’t take the bait to play. - There’s nothing wrong with that.
Bites back of the neck. - If they’re part of her pack, it’s fine, but I would discourage this behavior if they’re not dogs she recognizes as regular friends and family.
Nips at legs. - This is more irritating to a dog than a bite to the neck. Dogs do this when the other dog is not paying attention. If the dog she is nipping is not a dog you trust, do not allow the nipping on the leg. This could lead to a conflict or fight.
Plays the “bite-each-other's mouth” game. - This is normal play behavior.
Licks other dogs’ faces. - This is an acceptable play activity with other pack members - unless it becomes obsessive. There are three levels of intensity: mild, medium and high. I do not allow activities to reach a high intensity unless I create the game. For example, if I’m playing ball with them, I let them go to the highest level of energy. However, if they do it among themselves, I only allow them to reach a mild or medium intensity. The same behavior at a different level of energy can create a fight, simply because it was a high level energy moment.
Gives other dogs her toys/chewies. - This indicates that, in a pack of dogs, she would be in the middle. She’d be the one who would keep the dogs in back and the dogs in front as a unit.
You mentioned that your dog has enough energy to play after she does exercise or goes for a walk. Absolutely! Utilizing extra energy in play is a great way for dogs to celebrate the day. All the dogs at the Dog Psychology Center play after exercise. They just don’t play for a long period of time. After feeding times and when the temperature cools at around 5 pm, everybody here is frisky and playful, but playtime only lasts about fifteen minutes. After that, they are tired!
Based on the information you have shared, Klohee is a high-energy, submissive dog. The goal is to make her calm-submissive. You’ve got one half of the battle accomplished already! Walking her with a backpack is a great way to drain energy and move toward accomplishing that second half!
Stay calm and assertive,
Cesar Millan
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OMG!! That's what my dog Chunky and the dog we just adopted do!!
Yay!! Thank you Cesar and Bryan for answering some of my questions about these two's behavior!
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Brian Gnidovec
Clearwater, FL
Dogs playing
Thanks so much for the informative, step by step response to the play behaviour question. I have two Rottie bitches (both from "death row" kennels), both spayed, one about 5 now and one around 2 - 3.
There were a few fights at first and I've never really figured out why, but now (almost 2 years on from adopting the younger one) we are all one great bit lovely, loving pack - together with 4 cats.
They are very loving towards each other, as well as to anything on two legs! And make up lots of play chase games in the house when deprived enough exercise due to weather etc.
I'm so glad I persevered with the younger girl who had been mistreated/starved and left, abandoned on a busy road. She's a real miss busy britches and a real comedian, but readily acknowledges me as "boss bitch" and I so adore them both. Your site is great. Thanks again
Mary58
I have recently experienced
I have recently experienced the same behavior in our 14wk old doberman who coincendantly is named Kloe. We brought Kloe into our home approx 2-3 weeks before her brother, Khoda. Before bringing Khoda into our pack, Kloe was calm but playful.
When playing with Khoda she expresses the exact same behavior Bryan is experiencing. The first couple of days Khoda wasn't interested in this type of play, but now after almost 2 weeks, he plays in the same manner. Just not at the same intensity as her.
My only problem with this type of play was that when they are playing they will pretty much tune us out. My children will try to engage both dogs in playful games and the dogs will totally ignore them to play with each other. I have to seperate them (put 1 in his/ her kennel for a period of time, then rotate who is in and out), and train or play them one at a time.
They are both responding very well to their training, and will stop play (for a moment) to acknowledge me and my wife's commands, but still won't play games with anyone but each other. I have assumed that they are just trying to work our their station within our pack still, and that the intensity will subside after dominance is established. Am I correct on my assumption, and should I continue to seperate them for training or put more effort into getting them to break up play when we desire their attention?
Thank you!
Mike Wilcox
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Mike our dogs do the same thing as yours and I have the same concerns. We have an American Pitbull Terrior (11 mo male) and a Staffordshire Bull Terrior (7 mo female). When playing they are so focused on the play we rarely if ever can get their attention. Our dogs also play very rough and use their teeth a lot although they do not hurt each other. We often will come between them and make them lie on the ground and only allow them to play again when they can lie there without excitement. It does help but it is a work in progress. Good luck with your dogs.
Excitment
My dog, Rottweiler seems to get hyper when its time to go for a walk, thing is she rolls over or paws at me when I try to click on the leash, otherwise Sheba my 100 pound female rottie has no other problems. She does not pull on the lead or anything else. JUST this problem any help??? is there other activities I can do with my rottie besides play fetch and walk her?
Rolling over when putting on leash
Is this really a problem or just one of your dog's little ways?
I had the same issue with my youngest rescue Rottie, but this was genuine fear as she'd been tied up and abandoned, half starved on a busy road. I made games out of putting things round her neck, scarves any old thing really just while we were in house mooching about. Shes still a little wary after 18 months, but dogs have long memories.
Going into submissive mode is better than attacking!
Just laugh at her, give her love and cuddles and, I promise you, it will be alright.
Love from one Rottie owner to another.
Mary58